Two women meet in a room at Toni-Areal to reflect on institutional frameworks such as ZHdK. They share a perspective on socially critical practice that will really be taking off this autumn. Claudia Hummel is an art educator, university lecturer, historian of education and project organizer who works at the interface between art, education and society. She heads the new major in Critical Social Practice in Art Education and has come to ZHdK after teaching at Berlin University of the Arts for many years. She discusses the programme with Elisa da Costa Policarpo who is completing her masterโs degree in African Studies and has contributed to developing the new major as a research assistant.